What I meant was that the road to the Lotts Lake private land, 25N04, is a solid line entering from off of the map. Aren't solid lines closed?
John,
If you are looking at the closure map, then the solid lines are system roads, county , and or SPI system roads... county rd. from Inskip to the "T", SPI T line off the "T", and dotted on that map is OK to use, as are solid lines.
What is NOT OK for us to use (without permission, and or agreement) is the stuff that has NO lines, solid or dotted, ie: Saddle / Chips / past Grassy, past Falls, etc. and that which is blacked out as being private ownership, ie: Lott cabins & property / SPI (Spring Valley - section 3 of PipeJam)
Which brings us to a (questionably) rhetorical issue. If the closure map is to be believed and followed, and laws actually enforced, then there is NO "legal" access to the High Lakes, nor to Ben Lomand. As all other ingress / egress has been closed for one reason or another. Not the actual facts.
When we brought this to the Chester meeting, it was stated that the Lassen N.F., through region 5 legal-eagles, forced the map to not show access across private property nor into Plumas NF. (Ben Lomand), and they recognized the problem in us understanding what to do, but they had no choice. They also assured us that access past Lott Lake, past Spring Valley, and out to Ben Lomand, while possibly prohibited by the looks of the closure map, was still allowed and able to be used.
If so, wouldn't the property owners have to drive on a closed road to access their private land? Were they granted some special access to drive on the closed 25N04 road?
See above
If that's not the case, and anyone can drive on the 25N04 road up to the Lotts Lake private land, then wouldn't it be up to the property owners to decide whether or not vehicles can travel across their land?
Absolutely fact.... and yes, any and all private land owners may have the right to restrict, without notice or reason traffic across their property. This is one reason we the users, and all users must respect and obey the conditions set out by the land owners. In the case of the Lott Lake owners, those include stay on trail, no trespassing or fires, or hunting off the trails. And new signs are up to enforce that. So far SPI isn't imposing anything at Spring Valley, or in writing anywhere else, but we're working with them too.
If that's the case, then how can the USFS ticket someone on private land to access an OPEN National Forest road (611)? Also, if travel across private land is the only access point to open National Forest roads, then isn't there some type of egress that must be granted?
Another point that I'm trying to get at is that I don't see anything chaning in accessing the High Lakes because the Lotts Lake land is private. It's been private for years yet we've been able to drive across it. It seems the only affect of road closures would be if the access road to the private Lotts Lake land, 25N04, was closed. If it is closed, then that loops back to my first paragraph.
If all the above doesn't still answer your issues, feel free to post back, or call me
Ken
